BA B777 i gresset paa LHR

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...er-reduction-that-led-ba-777-to-crash-la.html

En foreløpig rapport ute. Ser ut som om de har funnet ut av hva som skjedde, men ikke hvorfor det skjedde

Restriction to the fuel flow between the fuel tanks and the engine fuel pumps appears to have caused the uncommanded power reduction that led a British Airways Boeing 777-200 to crash-land 300m short of the runway at London Heathrow airport on 17 January, according to a just-released Air Accident Investigation Branch interim statement.
 
The investigation into why a British Airways Boeing 777 on Jan. 17 crashed (with no fatalities) short of the runway at London's Heathrow airport has determined "that there are two possible scenarios" that match the data collected from the flight -- both involve ice in the fuel system. The Air Accidents Investigation Board (AAIB) has found that of all flights flown with similar equipment (about 140,000), less than 0.2 percent had been subjected to fuel temperatures at or below the minus 34 degrees centigrade recorded for the accident aircraft. The accident aircraft is also noted for operating in those temperatures at very low fuel flows, but within certified operational limits. As a result, Boeing 777 pilots will be required to cycle the thrust of their engines (maximum thrust for 10 seconds prior to descent) to clear the system of ice before landing and vary their altitudes en route when fuel in the main tank is below 10 degrees Celsius for more than three hours. There are rules for low-temperature ground operations, too. All instructions apply to 220 777s worldwide. This short-term fix aims to address concerns while the exact root of the problem is further investigated and (for now) acts in place of retooling the Rolls-Royce Trent 800 fuel feed systems on the jets. For the accident itself, the AAIB has detailed its two most likely causal scenarios.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/new..._AAIB_update_report_198727-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/G-YMMM Interim Report.pdf
 
Kan man ha funnet årsaken?

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...throw-atlanta-trent-895-engine-rollbacks.html

Boeing links Heathrow, Atlanta Trent 895 engine rollbacks
By John Croft

Boeing says "similar factors" were likely at play in two Trent 895 thrust rollback incidents on Boeing 777-200ER aircraft last year.

The most recent incident involved a Delta Airlines 777-200ER (N862DA) enroute from Shanghai to Atlanta on 26 November 2008 with 232 passengers and 15 crew. Pilots experienced an uncommanded rollback of the right Rolls-Royce engine while in cruise at 39,000ft approximately 40 minutes after a programmed step-climb. The crew was able to recover the engine after performing flight manual procedures related to the problem and descending to 31,000ft.


The common failure mechanism in the two incidents would appear to be water ice that accumulated at the front of a series of tubes that carry the fuel to the engine. Part of the fuel-oil heat exchanger, the tubes are located next to fluid lines carrying heated engine oil. From a design standpoint, the mutually beneficial system allows the engine oil to be cooled by the cold fuel while the fuel itself is heated for better combustion performance.

Under certain conditions however, Boeing engineers working in the laboratory have found that the heat generated by the Rolls-Royce designed fuel-oil heat exchanger is not adequate to prevent moisture in the fuel from freezing, a condition that tests have shown will produce ice the blocks the entrance of the fuel to the exchanger, starving the engines.
 
Ja, hørte et eller annet om ar de hadde funnet feilen når vi var på Boeing. Husker ikke om det var Dag eller en av de ansatte som nevnte det. Men godt de har funnet ut av det hvertfall.
 
Feilen har man funnet ut for lengst. Dette er en feilkonstruksjon i RR motoren vil aldri skje med PW eller GE. Dag kan forklare naermere siden han har jobbet utallige timer med dette og er kvalifisert til aa kunne uttale seg i detalj :p
 
Rolls-Royce: Trent 800 fix only part of broader icing issue
Rolls-Royce is stressing that its anti-icing modification for the Trent 800 is
just one part of a broader course of action required for the emerging issue of
ice accumulation during long, cold, high-altitude cruise.
The manufacturer is redesigning the fuel-oil heat exchanger for the powerplant,
in the wake of the British Airways Boeing 777 thrust roll-back accident in
January last year, and a similar single-engine roll-back on a Delta Air Lines
777 in November.

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...trent-800-fix-only-part-of-broader-icing.html
 
Heisann!

I kort saa har dette noe med hvordan eller hvor RR plasseser fuel-oil varmevekseleren i forhold til P&W og GE. Fuel blir pumpet fra fuel tankene til motorene ved hjelp av fuel boost pump som er elektriske impeller (skovlhjul) pumper som sitter i fuel tankene. Paa motoren sitter det ogsaa en fuel pumpe som er drevet av en aksel fra girkassen. Denne motor drevet fuel pumpen er en to (2) steg pumpe; et lavtrykk impleller steg og et hoeytrykk gear (tannhjul) steg. Paa RR saa sitter fuel-oil varmevekseleren mellom impeller og gear stage og paa P&W og GE sitter den etter hoey trykk gear stage. Varmevekseleren er en slags radiator der fuel gaar igjenniom smaa roer og oljen stroemmer rundt disse roerene. Det har vist seg, som de ogsaa fikk bekreftet med det Delta tilfelle, at faar du tilstrekkelig mye iskrystaller i fuelen kan disse samle seg opp ved innloepet til varmevekseleren og blokkere fuel flow til hoey trykk steget (RR). Paa P&W og GE vil ikke dette skje da varmeveksleren sitter etter hoey trykk steget.

Har ikke sett detaljene av hvordan RR vil loese dette, men i mellomtiden har de implementert operational prosedyrer der de soerger for at dette ikke skal skje.

Dag
 
Undersøkelseskommisjonen skal vissnok nå ha gitt grønt lys for at G-YMMM kan hugges opp og prosessen skal allerede ha startet og man regner med at vraket er borte fra LHR innen kort tid
 
Kan bekrefte det! Sto på Myrtle green i går og så cockpiten forsvant.... Flyet var da hult i begge ender
 
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