Spontanstreik i Spania og spanske flyvelederes arbeidsvilkår

Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Ser at JKs avgang fra LPA til TOS er ventet inn til TOS 0050 i natt..
Og skal etter planen gå videre til MAD klokken 0205 i natt fra TOS.
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

FlyHi said:
Nogen det har mere Info om hvad der sker lørdag. Har lige fået melding fra familien der stadig sidder i BLL på vej Tenerife. De har ingen meldinger fået udover at afgangen er udsat på ubestemt tid.
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Jf. Stig Elling kommer LPA pax afsted kl. 15, LPA åbner kl 19.00 iaften,
spansk luftrum sku være åben kl 18.00

Mon ikke TFS er nogenlunde det samme !
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Sikkert morsomt å være pax på SK7373 og SK7317 nå , driver å sirkler over ENVA.
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Stengt fram til 1800 UTC, dvs. at alle avganger fra Norge blir kansellert i dag vil jeg tro.

Nå kjenner jeg ikke til hva spanske militære flygeledere kan, men å bli satt til å jobbe steder man ikke har jobbet før krever opplæring. Situasjonen virker svært låst, trist for Spania og alle der..

Litt bakgrunn sakset fra PPRUNE:

Hello!

It´s been a long time since I last updated the changing situation we ATCO´s are experimenting in the lasts months in Spain. I´m going to throw in some info so that you can make yourself a picture of what to expect when you fly through our skies. Maybe this can prevent some rant from you guys on the radio or in this forum. I´ll try to limit myself only to facts, some other time I´ll let you know my opinion:

  • We have been imposed BY LAW (no talks, no agreements, no negotiation with our union) an increase in our yearly working hours, from 1200 hrs to 1670 hrs, 39% more hrs a year.
  • Our time for breaks has been reduced, also BY LAW, from 33% to 25% daily, and from 50% to 33% during nights. No previous study about the impact on our work load has been made. This adds to the increase in our yearly hours: we work more hours with less resting time. The distribution of the breaks is sometimes surreal: breaks at the beginning of your shift make you work 6 hrs with only a 45 min. break.
  • Mandatory recalls are now legal for us (only for Spanish ATCO´s, this doesn´t affect to the rest of the Spanish workers, yet ...), anytime, anyday, 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year. This means that AENA (Spanish ATC SP) can make you work whenever they want, on your days off, with no excuses for not attending the service. They can let you know with only 6 hrs notice, so you can imagine how this disturbs your private life: wife, kids, friends, etc ... SLAVERY?
  • Vacations are now assigned by AENA, and you can only know your monthly schedule (including holydays) on the 20th of the previous month: that is only 10 days to plan ahead your holydays, family life, etc ... Even so, AENA can change it anytime, anyway they want.
  • Operational decisions are now taken by staff non-operational personnel: runway in use, number of sectors and configuration in use, sector capacity, regulations, calibration-aircraft timetables, ATCO´s at work ... ATCO supervisors must obey their orders without discussion.
  • Veteran ATCO´s older than 57 (the most experienced) are not allowed to control anymore, and are now forced to do burocratic jobs. This has been a great loss for all of us, because of their huge experience on the job. At Madrid TMA, about 30% of the ATCO´s have been retired from operational jobs, and have been hardly replaced by already exploited colleagues or by non-operational ATCO´s forced to return to the ACC.
  • The limit of monthly working hrs has been risen to 200 hrs. My wife works around 180 hrs from 0900 to 1700, no nights, no weekends, no holydays ... Some people are working 20-25 days in a row, and on their days off it is usual to be assigned an "imaginaria" service: you must be on call 1 hr before the service starts up to 1/2 an hr after because they can phone you and you must report at work. And even if you don´t have an "imaginaria" that day, a recall can be imposed the previous day.
  • When we complain about sector capacities being exceeded, the answer we get from AENA or from EASA (Spanish air safety agency) is that it´s our fault for abusing direct routings or clearing FL different from those filed in the FP. They even remind us that there is an Eurocontrol document preventing against direct routing and non-scheduled FL´s.
  • Our salaries have been cut up to a 70% in some cases. AENA is not respecting pay agreements signed with the ATCO´s during the last 10 years. We don´t know what we will get paid next month.
  • Socially, our profession has been ruined as we are now seen by most of the people as privileged lazy scum with high salaries and low productivities, always on strike, always abusing the rest of the citizens (the last strike in Spanish ATC was in 1986), in a country with more than 5 million unemployed (more than 20%). The media campaign against us reached even international news agencies, and had nothing to envy to that made by Goebbles against jews.
  • You can be fired for "disciplinary" reasons anytime. You can consider the concept "disciplinary" in the context in which this whole message is written.
  • You can be sent to another destination at AENA´s wish. No excuses, no compensation. We are expecting to see several forced relocations of ATCO´s from Barcelona ACC to Madrid ACC to compensate for the veterans they decided no longer could be operational.
  • Sick leaves are on the rise, with the increase of work-load for those still active: at LEAL, 8 out of 18 are down, at Sevilla ACC its 18 out of 120 down, etc ... My colleagues are literally breaking down on a daily basis.
  • All the trainning time has been suspended: no more time for new procedures, new LOA´s, new systems ...
  • LSA (Air Safety Law) can impose very high monetary fines on ATCO´s, up to 240.000 €, for diverse reasons. In fact, AESA doesn´t have a state budget: they finance themselves by the fines they impose. Bye, bye "just culture" ...
  • High season is about to begin in the coasts of Spain and at the Balearic Islands ...
  • USCA (Spanish main union, 96%) has repeatedly denounced that SAFETY IS AT RISK in the Spanish skies: 96% increase in incidents in march, with 7 almost-collisions at Madrid TMA (class A incidents) in 4 months. More info at: Caos en los cielos españoles :: Aviación :: Política :: Periodista Digital
  • USCA has been spied by Spanish state intelligence, their webpage has been hacked, the mails have been stolen.
I hope this helps you to understand why we can´t give direct routings or FL other than those of the FP, or some other non-desirable situations. I can assure you that we Spanish ATCO´s are doing our best, as we have always done. I will gladly attend any question that arises on this matter.
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Please forget everything you might have heard about sallaries. Sallaries were the first thing to go many months ago, and it is not what we are fighting for.

If you must know as an experienced approach controller at LECB I made 4300 EUR last month. Our last colleagues to join are making 2300 eur.

I love this job and if it was only an issue of money I'd consider myself happy. But it's not. We've gone from 1200 to upwards of 2000 hours. Management has decided unilaterally to increase traffic loads with absolutely no safety studies. We are enduring monthly rosters of 200 hours. When some of us folded to pressure (18 people had already been medically evacuated when I last asked in august) the goverment forced the medical inspection to turn down sick leaves. Colleagues of my have been working while still on anxiety medication, or decided to drop the treatment ot of fear of government retaliation.

Just culture has been completely obliterated, and recordings have been used arbitrarily to attack employees. We have been robbed of our holidays, and sick leaves have gone unpaid. They are losing trial after trial because the company is denying basic rights (leaves to attend small children). Even after having lost these trials the continue the practice (hopefully we will end up having an obvious case of mobbing)

With today's decree it is the fourth time this year that legislation has been passed specifically to change our terms and conditions, collective negotiation be damned.

And to top it all off to this day we are to be available 24/365 to work in the company deems it necessary.

So yes. I _DO_ claim slavery when all the basic rights that had been painfully gained through the 20th centry haven been swiftly dragged from under our feet, all in the name of economic interest and a complete disregard of operational safety.

So please don't bring back the issue of money. Money has not been an issue for a long time now. It's all about basic rights, our dignity and the safety of operations. I don't think I would have to stress that the people that are RIGHT NOW sending untrained military personnel to take control of the operation are not thinking too much about safety.

With all my regards,
Juan Toledo
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Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Hørte på P4 nå nettopp at spanske myndigheter har erklært unntakstilstand.
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Spanska flygvapnets fåtaliga flygledare klarar bara att hantera en bråkdel Flygtrafiken som de mångdubbelt fler civila ATC normalt hanterar.
10 000-tals Europeiska turister sitter fast i Spanien.

DY är stora på Spanien från Norden..denna strejl måste slå extremt hårt mot Norwegian.
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Det skrives at flygeledere som ikke går tilbake til jobbene sine vil bli kunne straffeforfulgt. Ser bare for meg at alle går tilbake til jobbene sine og leverer oppsigelsen sammetidig:)
 
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DY har jo idag to fly fra Rygge til Spania, ett til AGP (Malaga) og ett til ALC (Alicante).

Maskinen til Alicante returnerer t/r Torp før den er tilbake i Rygge. Men idag ser jeg flyet har fått ny avg 16.30, samtidig som flyet fra Torp. Har DY satt inn en ny maskin fra Torp idag?

Med disse sene avgangstidene vil flyene lande etter kl 23.30 på Rygge.
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Så lenge dette ikke varer til neste uke så, fordi da reiser jeg til Chile om Madrid med Iberia!
Noen som vet hvordan dette fungerer i forbindelse med forsikring?
 
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Dette varer nok lenger enn neste uke.. jeg ville ungått Spania dersom det er mulig..

Militær lov gjelder, alle flygeledere blir militære flygeledere og straffes iht militære lover om de ikke møter på jobb. Får ikke lov å si opp jobben heller (blir det sagt).

Jeg ville fulgt spesielt godt med på TCAS og sjekket finalen ekstra nøye for lineup om jeg var yrkesflyger i Spania.. Det hele er egentlig ganske så surrealistisk..
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Fra Eurocontrol:

Released 04/12/2010 12:29

LECM AND LECS RESUMING OPERATIONS

Valid from 04/12/2010
until 04/12/2010
Released 04/12/2010 12:29

LECM AND LECS RESUMING OPERATIONS
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ATTENTION ALL OPERATORS: LECM AND LECS ACC'S ARE RESUMING
OPERATIONS AT REDUCED SECTOR CONFIGURATIONS AND RATES.
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AOS'ARE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED TO SEND A FCM - ONLY - IF THE FLIGHT
IS GOING TO BE OPERATED.
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LEGE, LEAM, LEZL AND LEJR REMAIN CLOSED UNTIL 1800.
.
CFMU NOD

Reduced capacity and rates gir nok en del forsinkelser, ja.
Mvh,
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

Det var jo noen helt syke lønninger de hadde også. 2.8 millioner norske kroner i året..
 
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Jeg ville unngått Spania for alt det er verdt.
Å sette inn utrente militære flygeledere er INGEN erstatning overhodet.
Å fly der nede nå vil rett og slett være livstruende.

Operational decisions are now taken by staff non-operational personnel: runway in use, number of sectors and configuration in use, sector capacity, regulations, calibration-aircraft timetables, ATCO´s at work ... ATCO supervisors must obey their orders without discussion.
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At det var???
Hårreisende mange av de punktene.
 
Re: Spontanstreik i Spania

rymle said:
Jeg ville unngått Spania for alt det er verdt.
Å sette inn utrente militære flygeledere er INGEN erstatning overhodet.
Å fly der nede nå vil rett og slett være livstruende.
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skal vel være litt forsiktig med sånne utsagn. Kan være flere som sitter å venter på flyplasser som leser dette så kan det lett oppstå panikk,,
 
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