Nok ett DY fly har hatt "first flight"

[BU662]

This is a link to the FAA website:

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...ion_aircraft_committed_internation_operation/

It will explain the use of temporary Aircraft registrations. It is more or less internationally the same. Bases on ICAO Annex 7.

If such a registration is issued, the permanent one thereafter is the same. Therefore "at the end of the day, the outcome will be the same".
Maybe now, after having read this, some people will see my comment in a little different view. Some will not, I am aware of this fact.

Therefore, at the time I posted, I could see that the aircraft will end up as LN-NOF in the Norwegian register. And - having the overview of that only one aircraft is due soooo soon from Seattle and one is in IST becoming SE-RHB, this is all no company secrets, this is is just adding fact by fact. And at some point, it is disturbing getting all the time asked "where does your info come from". This time, it was all public info + rules and logic.

I think it is easy to understand that DY with 2 wetleases from Hola has a certain "need for speed".

SE-RHA followed the same pattern with Swedish Registers from Start. There was never a cross-over. These info on the Swedish Aircraft register are open for public. There is not - yet - such info for a SE-RHC.

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Regarding the rest of the Discussion:

Kurt, you never had more respect from me than today for saying what is on my heart. Straight away. Top.

CK, you will probably never understand what I understand under a "Discussion forum" and why I now only post in those topics that I interest for. To write that I would not honestly contribute, is just a flat lie. I do tell what I want to tell and then it is also truth. I do not spread lies. How much I do contribute in this forum, where and to what extend of my knowledge, I would like to decide on my own. I hope this goes ok. Reading your lines can give another impression.
No "God Morgen", no Cars, no OMNI, no Whine. Also, no "ny-lansering" of old newspaper news. No trip reports. Just the dry hard facts. Yes. And I would love to discuss this day and night with some members like Brendas and Dag Johnson. They have my deepest respect, 100% facts, 100% knowledge of the rules etc. If they could only post more.

 

[sail4fun]

Har full respekt for at man ikke skal lekke taushetsbelagt info.

Men man kan stusse over at DY sine leveranser er mer taushetsbelagt en forsvarets nye Herculesfly.

Men, kvalifisert gjetting og sammling av informasjon fra flere åpne kilder , og diskutere det her i plenum har da også ført til "avsløringer" , selv om vi sikkert tar "feil" i mer enn 50% av tilfellene.

Noen søker kun facts med 2 streker under svaret , andre ønsker å diskutere muligheter og leke sofa CEO, godt ikke alle er like og kjører Lada ?

 

[Tommy777]

Enda et sorgens kapittel av en traad...

Fra en som kan se dette fra begge sider, skjoenner jeg godt reaksjonene - fra begge sider.

Jeg deltar mer enn gjerne i en debatt med Richard, men dreier debatten seg ikke om DY, er det sjeldent man hoerer noe fra Berlin.

Jeg har kanskje ikke de beste inside information i bransjen, faar kun vite alt som har med Eurobonus foerst. Vil det da si at alt jeg skriver da ikke har noen verdi for deg?

I tillegg, de alle fleste av oss synes kanskje at alt hemmelighetskremmeriet er latterlig. Vi snakker om Boeing 737, et fly det finnes tusenvis av, ikke en ny Stealth bomber. Om jeg ikke vet reg i dag eller ikke faar sett bildet foer i morgen, driter jeg en lang mars i det.

Og det CK forsoeker aa si er at du bidra paa en mye mer positiv maate foer. Jeg satt meget stor pris paa aa lese alt du hadde aa si foer jul. Vet ikke hva som har skjedd mellom partene her, men maaten du skriver paa Richard, har forandret seg radikalt.

Det som noen kanskje kan reagere paa er uttalelser som kommer her i traaden:
No "God Morgen", no Cars, no OMNI, no Whine. Also, no "ny-lansering" of old newspaper news. No trip reports. Just the dry hard facts. Yes. And I would love to discuss this day and night with some members like Brendas and Dag Johnson. They have my deepest respect, 100% facts, 100% knowledge of the rules etc.

Det du i realiteten sier her, Richard er at du kun kommer med klare facts, mens alt sammen som man bidrar med her er bare svada. Vel, et Critical Mind er du ikke og facts kommer du ikke alltid med. I vaar siste debatt sa du: Ikke alle andre parkerer fly.

Lufthansa parkerer ingen fly, mens söker desperate etter mer langdistanse-maskiner. De selskaper som er darlig styrt eller agerer i markeder med enormt overkapasitet (jeg ikke gidder a si at CO er darlig styrt, mens UA er det definitiv), alle disse selskaper setter fly pa bakken.

Den enes nöd er den andre sin sjanse. Samme tid som e.g. UA kutter dramatisk utvider en Southwest ved Denver. Nökkelen er kostnads-kontroll og fulle fly. Noen av de lavpris-aktörer vil satse i viten om at deres overhead-kostnader er langt mindre enn de av e.g. UA, SK og LH og at mange, som UA og SK, har ingen fett a taere fra. Krigskassa av de fleste store selskaper er tomt. Og noen av disse dinosaur-selskaper ma rett og slett forsvinne.

Norwegian er i den gledelig situasjon at de har en sterkt hjemmemarked innenriks i Norge. Dette har mange andre lavpris-selskaper som Easyjet og Ryanair ikke. OG ja, pa en visst mate er Norwegian egentlig ikke en 100% lavpris-selskap. Mens hvor har vi egentlig defininert hva dette er? Er Southwest en? Eller Ryanair? Eller hvem? Bare lurer...

Mye som er langt fra facts her.. Men jeg oensker overhodet ikke at du skal forsvinner fra forumet. KGL har helt rett i sin post. Og jeg tar gjerne en debatt med deg naar som helst!


Naar det er sagt, synes jeg moderatorer burde holde seg for god til aa ytre kritikk av medlemmer paa forumet. Hadde jeg kommet med slike oppkast til et av mine medlemmer, hadde jeg ikke vaert moderator paa Flyertalk i morra..

Denne diskusjonen skulle vaert tatt paa kammerset, poster burde deletes. Denne diskusjonen er bare destruktivt

 

[BU662]

I do only take part in the discussions I do interest for. Eurobonuss is not interesting for me, so yes, all your contributions in there, no matter how good and how informative they may be, they do not mean anything to me. simply, because I do not even read that topic. I simply do not interest for that part. This does not value the quality of your postings, it just values the level of interest for me.

Why shall I post in every thing - that I have NULL interest for - my opinion? This is really destructive. It adds a lot of non-sense talk and at the end, those (incl. you) that interest for the topic, are annoyed of those that just posted to say "hi", "bra", "flott".

You quote a posting of me, but I have the distinct feeling you see the problem from one side, and I from the other. Only natural that we come to different conclusions. And to ask what is a "Low-Fare Carrier" per definition, is maybe not the worst question, because it was never really answer how low you have to be in order to count as low-fare airline.

 

[Blubird]

Tror mye av bagatellene her kan løses ved at enkelte tar seg noen timer fri fra forumet per dag og kommer seg ut i frisk luft, får litt sol i ansiktet og prater fysisk med andre mennesker, slik mennesker helst skal gjøre for å holde seg.

 

[Utflyttet]

I do only take part in the discussions I do interest for. Eurobonuss is not interesting for me, so yes, all your contributions in there, no matter how good and how informative they may be, they do not mean anything to me. simply, because I do not even read that topic. I simply do not interest for that part. This does not value the quality of your postings, it just values the level of interest for me.

I think you should tread carefully when talking of what your values are. You are to date the only poster I know of in the forum's history to fist do a "Hotel California", followed denouncing the whole forum, and by manual labour deleting everything you have posted in the history of your time here, and then requesting ot have your user removed, only to recreate it and come back and style yourself as aparently the only one to stick to topics and facts.

Maybe we should do a mass undelete so at least you can be viewed for what your past here is?

I also believe that some of the above posts are a bit over the top by many of the posters, if not in sentiment and spirit, then at least in the way the words are written.

-A

 

[LN-KGL]

Synes ikke denne diskusjonen er forgjeves Tommy777, det har blitt en del avklaringer og støtteerklæringer. Enkelte ganger kan det rett og slett være sunt å blåse ut litt.

Så tilbake til saken - DY first flight

 

[BU662]

Alex, it is not true that my User account was deleted, it stayed in here all the time. It was refused to be deleted. Not by me.

My Join date is 21-09-04 and that should be the 2nd oldest of all in here...

I did not say that I never had different values, as you entitle them. I would simply call it areas of interest. They change over time. I speak about the NOW, you speak about the PAST. The PAST is gone and will certainly not come back.

I had my reasons why I deleted my content. 99,9% the same as "TilHimmels", just with another employer. I do not think I have to go deeper into this.

 

[Utflyttet]

I did not say that I never had different values, as you entitle them. I would simply call it areas of interest. They change over time. I speak about the NOW, you speak about the PAST. The PAST is gone and will certainly not come back.

I had my reasons why I deleted my content. 99,9% the same as "TilHimmels", just with another employer. I do not think I have to go deeper into this.

This actually the whole point of the brawl we have now. You do have a past here and none of the things that made this thread explode was a single item from this thread, but the cumulative past you have. Some in here have had no problem remembering given some of the dialogue you have contributed both in public and private.

And hence, there are those here that believe that as a moderator maybe LN-MOW should have worded himself differently, but seem to agree with the spirit of what have been said.

-A

 

[Tommy777]

Synes ikke denne diskusjonen er forgjeves Tommy777, det har blitt en del avklaringer og støtteerklæringer. Enkelte ganger kan det rett og slett være sunt å blåse ut litt.

Så tilbake til saken - DY first flight

Fair enough. Men for medlemmer som ikke kjenner historien etc. er det kanskje ikke saerlig hyggelig lesestoff

 

[Tommy777]

I do only take part in the discussions I do interest for. Eurobonuss is not interesting for me, so yes, all your contributions in there, no matter how good and how informative they may be, they do not mean anything to me. simply, because I do not even read that topic. I simply do not interest for that part. This does not value the quality of your postings, it just values the level of interest for me.

Why shall I post in every thing - that I have NULL interest for - my opinion? This is really destructive. It adds a lot of non-sense talk and at the end, those (incl. you) that interest for the topic, are annoyed of those that just posted to say "hi", "bra", "flott".

You quote a posting of me, but I have the distinct feeling you see the problem from one side, and I from the other. Only natural that we come to different conclusions. And to ask what is a "Low-Fare Carrier" per definition, is maybe not the worst question, because it was never really answer how low you have to be in order to count as low-fare airline.

We all have different interests and have something to contribute to, but don't you see how it comes across when you state something like you did above? To keep a good tone and friendly environment, one should respect all the information shared.

That said, I totally agree that members that generally post: I agree, great, top etc doesn't contribute at all and if it was up to me, these post can just be deleted

 

[OJB]

Tror mye av bagatellene her kan løses ved at enkelte tar seg noen timer fri fra forumet per dag og kommer seg ut i frisk luft, får litt sol i ansiktet og prater fysisk med andre mennesker, slik mennesker helst skal gjøre for å holde seg.

Godt skrevet og sagt.
I tillegg kan vi jo planlegge en felles "annual piss-up" hvor man treffes og har mulighet til å flire og le over noe vin og øl!

Dette ble en heftig tråd!

 

[LN-MOW]

Godt skrevet og sagt.
I tillegg kan vi jo planlegge en felles "annual piss-up" hvor man treffes og har mulighet til å flire og le over noe vin og øl!

HAHA! Godt forslag! Hva sier du Richard?

 

[Savipix]

Skall man tro Arlandas flight info display skulle SE-RHB komma från IST idag klockan 1400. Hade dock inte fått det bekräftat när jag gick från jobbet.

Parkering på ramp J

 

[Airbus 330]

Og her er første bildet slik at ALLE kan se at det er LN-NOF som er den nye 737-800 maskina: http://www.flickr.com/photos/steeldreams/2594839470/

Airbus 330.

 

[dc-8-63]

Dessverre flyr den i "Stealth - mode" over Lake Union

 

[EB]

Flott bilde... og absolutt flott når den er såpass skinnende og blank!!!

 

[Fellowship]

Kan det bekreftes at LN-NOF som idag ble satt i trafikk er c/n 36809, eller har den et annet c/n ?? Og hvilket Linenumber har den?

Her er den i avgang på første revenue flight som DY1698 til Marrakech, some 40 minutes delayed

 

[Savipix]

SE-RHB kunde ses på ett, från utsidan, mindre synligt ställe på ARN igår. Antagligen pågår div. modifikationer.

 

[BU662]

Kan det bekreftes at LN-NOF som idag ble satt i trafikk er c/n 36809, eller har den et annet c/n ?? Og hvilket Linenumber har den?

Her er den i avgang på første revenue flight som DY1698 til Marrakech, some 40 minutes delayed

MSN: 36809
L/N: 2647