Atlas Air/Amazon B767F krasj i Texas 23FEB19

[jameson82]

Meldes at en Amazon Prime Air (Atlas) har krasjet på approach til Houston (Fr24 på facebook)

 

[Vede]

Atlas Air (Amazon prime) 767F har styrtet

FR24 melder at en 767-300F fra Atlas Air på vegne av Amazon prime har styrtet på vei til IAH fra MIA. [emoji17]

 

[jameson82]

Re: 23.1.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

Reg N1217A

 

[Vede]

Re: 23.1.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

Levert ny i 1992. Bygd om til frakter i 2016.

 

[LN-MOW]

Re: Atlas Air (Amazon prime) 767F har styrtet

FR24 melder at en 767-300F fra Atlas Air på vegne av Amazon prime har styrtet på vei til IAH fra MIA. [emoji17]

Det var vel andre veien ... gikk ned i bukta utenfor IAH. Ser den gikk omtrent direkte i vannet fra 5800 fots høyde .. må ha skjedd noe temmelig drastisk. Tre mann ombord ..

 

[Tertit54]

Atlas air crash

Feil forum

En cargo 767 route 5Y3591 har crashet like syd for Houston.
Ser ut som det er en Amazon air 767 som fløy denne ruten i dag.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f8caf9c7fc94

 

[LN-MOW]

Re: 23.1.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

Noen skal ha hørt på liveatc at de ba om omdirigering rundt en værcelle og ikke fikk det... du kødder ikke med stormer i Texas.

 

[Someone]

Re: 23.2.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

Blir spennende å se årsak. Fly krasjer jo ikke bare uten grunn

 

[Michael]

Re: 23.2.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

VASAviation er ute med ATC/grafikk:
https://youtu.be/0cn58iVuzBY

 

[LN-MOW]

Re: 23.2.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

Liveatc har suppet dette:

Some notes from the LiveATC archive of audio communications in the flight's final minutes. https://twitter.com/WandrMe/status/1099419508652105733
Roughly 6 minutes before the aircraft disappears from radar it reports in to IAH Approach and is instructed to prepare for a landing on 26L at IAH.
ATC notes some severe weather in the area and offers potential reroutes if needed, "There is a little of light, well, now it is showing a little heavy, light to heavy precipitation just west of it looks like VANNN [FAA Waypoint] and it is moving eastbound, so once you get closer if you need to go vectors around it we'll be able to accommodate that." A couple minutes later the aircraft comes back, asking to go to the west side of the storm.
Houston Approach offers a westbound deviation, with conditions: "The only problem we have with that right now is there's a bunch of departures is there's a bunch of departures departing right at you so you'll need to go all the way down…"
The aircraft interrupts the westbound deviation option routing with "Okay, then we'll go on the east side; that's fine. ?? direct us." LiveATC recordings have no further transmissions to or from the plane.
Just a minute later UA1788 from MCO, flying a nearly identical approach routing, is similarly instructed to prepare for a 26L approach into IAH.
UA1788: United 1788, Houston, Good Afternoon. Altimiter 299.1. Runway 26L Transition.
ATC: Over the final, um, really a mean band back there but it is moving to the east. First guy [reference to the crashed plane] is going around it so I'm pretty sure we'll be able to do the same thing.

 

[Someone]

Re: 23.2.19 Boeing 767F krasj i Texas

Liveatc har suppet dette:

Må ha skjedd fort hvis det ikke var noe nødanrop

Ellers er voice recorderen funnet, så gir kanskje svar på noe

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ockpit-voice-recorder-from-crashed-at-456274/

NTSB recovers cockpit voice recorder from crashed Atlas 767F

 

[LN-RTP]

Det ligger video på nettet som visste at den stupte omtrent rett ned men vingene var på plass.
Var ikke så veldig dårlig vær, muligens noe galt med stab/høyderor siden dem mistet helt kontrol på pitch.
Har noen timer på den flytypen, ganske forbauset at det gikk så galt så fort.
Skal bli Intresant å se årsaken.

 

[Blubird]

Sheriffen har frigjort video-opptaket de satt på som relativt tydelig viser flyets ferd de siste sekundene. Noen mener å kunne måle at flyet stuper mindre bratt/på vei til å flate ut helt på tampen.


http://avherald.com/h?article=4c497c3c&opt=0

 

[Kanon]

Ser ut som om de var på vei til å rette opp ja.

 

[LN-RTP]

Nå ser det ut, i følge FDR, at stikka blev skjøvet forover med hensikt og at full gass ble satt på motorene.
Det kan bety selvmord, kapring og en masse andre ting, men foreløpig er det ikke noe hint fra CVR. (Kanskje det kan være brutale greier)
Leste det der idag og ble temmelig paff, har flydd mye frakt og som regel normale folk men flyene er utslitt og sarvete. Kanskje omvendt her..

 

[Blubird]

(…) Also, about this time, the FDR data indicated that some small vertical accelerations consistent with the airplane entering turbulence. Shortly after, when the airplane’s indicated airspeed was steady about 230 knots, the engines increased to maximum thrust, and the airplane pitch increased to about 4° nose up. The airplane then pitched nose down over the next 18 seconds to about 49° in response to nose-down elevator deflection. (…)

http://avherald.com/h?article=4c497c3c&opt=0

Som det også står skrevet hadde kapteinen om lag 11.000 timer og FO om lag 5.000 timer, og så var det da denne tredje personen som satt på jump seat bak disse.

 

[LN-RTP]

Nå spekuleres det på at styrmannen, som var fra en øy i Karibia, hadde mye problemer med å ta prøver og oppflyginger, med mye stryk, kjørte stikka ned og drepte alle.

This was posted on another chat regarding the atlas crash
This was posted on another chat

“Early speculation is the FO did something.... I took a van ride with a LCA who also does the 441 Fed rides and his exact words were “there are 3 people who should be in Jail at this company”. Apparently this dude failed his oral badly did a retake and made it to full flight where multiple instructors expressed concern and would not advance him. Rumor is they were going to fire him but he threw out the race card and the let him start over with a new class. He eventually got to his type ride, failed badly and then the company rescheduled him with this Santa Clause DE who’s now retired and never failed anyone. By the time he got to the line he was passed around from checkairman to checkairman and eventually got signed off with something like 80hrs of OE. Not to mention he also failed upgrade at Mesa twice....Needless to say the Fed’s are all over the training center and he thinks that the FAA will clean house of most of the 119 positions (I.e. Dir of Training, maintenance, DO ect..) and it’s possible they could even shut the airline down for a period of time depending on what they find.”

 

[LN-MOW]

Da er den foreløpige havarirapporten utgitt. Den gir ingen konklusjon om årsaken til selve styrten.

The data also shows, however, that very shortly after that the plane pitched nose down to around 49 degrees in 18 seconds and the planes speed of 430 knots, there has been no confirmation from the NTSB on whether or not this was a deliberate input or if the aircraft had experienced an extreme downforce, what is clear in this initial report however, is that the stall warner (the stick shake) did not activate.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/nts...tk_b-B69aOpF7T003lCcgZOMqcJX2O34FTgurp2OD33nY

Stusset imidlertid litt på denne ...

While there is no confirmation from the NTSB on what caused the crash, the data from the FDR and the ADS-B both imply that the aircraft entered turbulence, which was consistent with the pilots’ input to push the throttles to full power, this is a standard procedure for all pilots when they enter turbulence and the planes steady climb of 4 degrees nose up is consistent with this input.

 

[LN-MOW]

Så akkurat dette i en fraktergruppe på Facebook - det skal være fra Atlas' pilotforum ...

Atlas Air Flight 3591

The initial bobble is from turbulence at 6200’. When the FO called for flaps 1, the captain accidentally hit the toga button. Toga didn’t engage until after flaps were set to 1, which then brought engine power to full, and started the initial pitch of 10 degrees nose up. The FO was startled, and shoved the nose forward... The CVR is startling, and baffling. The CA was pulling so hard against the FO that he sheared the pins on the stick and at that point had no control. They were IMC at the time.

When they broke out into VMC, the FO said oh schit and started to pull. That was the round out you see. I won’t get into anything more until everything comes out. The records, the CVR, and what happened in the flight deck is truly shocking. They hit a negative 4 G dive initialy on the FOs push.

All you hear is stuff hitting the ceiling and at one point a loud thud. They think the thud may have been the JS hitting the ceiling and maybe not wearing the shoulder harness.

Like I said, I won’t get into anything more about the background of how it all happened. This is the accident in a nutshell. The facts that will come out are shocking.

 

[Someone]

Mer info ute nå. Enten er det ekstremt dårlig flyvning, en av tabbet seg ut og fått panikk eller gjort noe med vilje? Men det tyder på at det ble trykket på go-around knappen under flight


https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20191219.aspx


https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/63000-63499/63168/631200.pdf