Flyprat
Støtt oss. Bestill billetter og varer her:


Go Back   Flyprat > TripReports

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 19-10-2016, 15:28   #1
KnutW
Speedbird Concorde
 
KnutW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Asker
Posts: 702
Default Sukhoi Superjet

Sitting in the «Pier Zero» elevated restaurant at Helsinki with a very large prawn sandwich and (also quite large) beer having just flown in from Warsaw on the SSJ, and watching Finnair’s afternoon Asia-rush hour, is the very nice backdrop for this report.
It is actually quite fascinating to see the afternoon Asia-rush out of Helsinki. The city itself has only around 575.000 people, but the airport handles 16 million passengers per year, around 35% of them in transit. During half an hour, a total of nine widebody jets leave, eight Finnair 330/350 (4+4) and one JAL B787. At the busiest time I counted a total of nine aircraft at holding, four of them widebody. Well done Finnair!


Anyway, back to the Sukhoi Superjet, or SSJ.
Representing an interesting change to your everyday booooring 737/320-family, the SSJ as well as the CS100, is a most welcome newcomer. So far only two of each type are operated by airlines in Europe. (Aeroflot doesn’t count as European in this context) As I have previously mentioned, I more or less stumbled across the Finnair flight being operated by CityJet. Flying from Warsaw to Helsinki was by far easier and cheaper than having to obtain a Russian Visa or going to Mexico, although it could have been funny to fly aboard a Russian jet into USA..!
During this report I will frequently compare the SSJ to the CS100. Fair or not, they are both new (well, the SSJ actually had its maiden flight in 2008 and has been in service for five years) in European operations, and I flew the CS100 only two weeks ago so it’s still fairly fresh in my mind. The two planes also look quite similar, same style nose with integrated cockpit windows, brings back memories of Caravelles and Comets for those of us old enough to remember them.

The SSJ is a bit smaller than the CS100, roughly 80% the size, apart from cabin width which is just 5 cms less. Weight wise it is about 10 tons less round bout and the range is just over 3000 kms compared to 5000 for the CS100.

The cabin is bright and light, CityJet has chosen a light grey panel and dark grey seats, very stylish and nice. Cabin height is 212 cms, just the same as CS100, 10 cms more than Embraer 190 and 27 cms more than the CRJ-series.
Seating arrangement is 2+3, same as the CS100, but all the seats are the same width. (The CS100 has a slightly wider middle seat.) The luggage racks are quite large and spacious, the inevitable drawback is a rather low ceiling/headroom over the seats, only 38 cms between the top of your seatback and the ceiling if you got the window seat on the right (3 seats) side. The windows are rather small, much smaller than the CS100. They are placed a bit further down on the fuselage than normal, giving a good view of the ground when airborne, but you have to bend down a bit to look out when the plane is on the ground. I suppose that’s only a nuisance for us aviation enthusiasts trying to keep an eye on things outside. The top part of the window is also cut by the sun shades protruding about 5 cms down from their mount.

The CityJet seats are much more comfortable and further apart than on Swiss CS100. Even I, measuring 195 cms, can easily stretch my legs! As for seating comfort the SSJ tops everything in this segment, you’ll have to get an exit row or move up to Economy Plus/Comfort on a larger airliner to match it. Having said that, the seat table is miniscule, about the size of an A4 paper. Well suited for today’s in-flight service standards? As opposed to the CS100 which had a rather elegant, albeit very small, info screen over each row, there is no such thing on the Sukhoi. Check Flightradar24.com history after landing.

The cabin and aircraft is very quiet until start-up, none of the whiiiining, brrrrrming and cloncking you have on the CS100, not to mention Airbus. After start the engines are emitting only a low pitch purr, not the big fan rumble you get on most other aircraft. Taxiing is also fairly quiet. CityJet is the only airline authorised to use reduced power for take-off (The Russians and Mexicans use TO/GA i.e. full throttle) and acceleration is nothing out of the ordinary. It takes us just over 30 seconds and 1500 metres of runway to reach rotation/lift-off speed of 132 KTS / 245 km/h. The climb rate is quite normal, four minutes to 10.000 feet, ten minutes to 25.000. The climb rate decrease notably after 30.000 feet and it takes us another ten minutes to reach a rather impressive cruising altitude of 39.000 feet. Against a 30 KTS headwind we are doing 440 KTS / 815 km/h. Both the SSJ and CS100 cruise at M0.78.

Compared to the CS100 which boasts 1463 metres for take-off at max weight, the SSJ needs 1731 according to the net. The SSJ will, as the CS100, be certified for operations into London City which has 1508 metres for take-off and 1411 for landing. (The landing threshold is set a bit in from the runway end)

The SSJ is more quiet than the CS100 which was a bit disappointing noise wise for a brand new aircraft. Albeit the noise increases at speed, the SSJ stays more quiet than the CS100 throughout every phase of the flight. There is not much difference in the noise level in the front and back of the cabin. The aft toilet is, as on the CS100, big, well-lit and spacious. The Russians have made a rather clever rack on top of the toilet bowl, very useful if you bring a toilet bag and/or need to change a baby nappy. Unfortunately the amenities are also Russian, making it rather tricky to use the sink and taps. The opening for pulling out paper towels is way too small and the waste disposal flap is also very small. Strange that a western airline hasn’t amended this to something a bit more practical. Not a big deal, but these small details just make life so much easier.

We descend with a rate of 3000 feet/min from 39.000 to 10.000 feet without any ear-popping whatsoever. The pressurasation systems are clearly up to their job. The approach is very smooth indeed, but we have the most fantastic autumn weather with no clouds, unlimited visibility and hardly any wind. Final approach speed is normally around 140 KTS / 260 km/h, obviously varying with weight, flap settings and available runway length. There is a very noticeable drop in airspeed when the gear comes down, power has to be increased quite a bit.

The SSJ is rather thirsty. Fuel flow is close to one ton per hour per engine. Our flight, 1:25 airborne and 1:45 block, consumed 2.7 tons or 3500 litres, nearly twice as much per passenger as a (full) 737-800. The CS100 use about 1.6 -1.7 tons per hour.
The captain said “It’s a brilliant plane with fantastic aerodynamics. But the Russian aircraft constructors think all pilots are stupid, so the plane’s systems doesn’t allow us to do anything wrong in here! Probably the best wings I’ve ever come across, they just keep flying..!” (I did not mention that sometimes Russian aircraft constructors have a valid point.) The wing is also amongst the only modern wing not to feature any kind of winglet or other tip adjustments. CityJet will however add winglets to their SSJ fleet.

So, all in all, the SSJ is a very pleasant experience. In my very private opinion on medium sized planes, it ranks only second behind the Embraer 190. As long as I’m sitting by the emergency exit in the 190 with plenty of legroom. If not I’m tempted to rank it first. Depends on the airline, seating and so on I suppose. Third is the CS100, followed by the whole family of Airbus narrowbodies and Boeing 737s. Last comes the CRJ-family which is actually only good looking. Viewed from the outside.

/Knut
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2589.jpg
Views:	1840
Size:	111.8 KB
ID:	41265   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2627.jpg
Views:	1845
Size:	103.6 KB
ID:	41266   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2630.jpg
Views:	1830
Size:	93.9 KB
ID:	41267   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2635.jpg
Views:	1815
Size:	29.9 KB
ID:	41268   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2636.jpg
Views:	1830
Size:	146.5 KB
ID:	41269  

Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2639.jpg
Views:	469
Size:	91.5 KB
ID:	41270   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2640.jpg
Views:	383
Size:	122.4 KB
ID:	41271   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_2647.jpg
Views:	337
Size:	82.0 KB
ID:	41272  

Last edited by KnutW; 20-10-2016 at 10:48. Reason: Editotrial
KnutW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 00:00   #2
LN-JON
Newcomer
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Skedsmokorset
Posts: 23
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Takk for en interessant rapport, Knut
LN-JON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 09:55   #3
KnutW
Speedbird Concorde
 
KnutW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Asker
Posts: 702
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Takk for det Jon, la til noen bilder også. Er ny her på forumet, så jeg trøbler med å få inn bildene der de hører hjemme i teksten. Dermed ble det "samling i bånn".

Last edited by KnutW; 20-10-2016 at 11:15.
KnutW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 12:01   #4
roger
Rakettforskar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Trondheim
Posts: 1,439
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Artig å lese. Har ikkje fått testa verken denne eller C100, men er i allefall einig i at E190 er langt betre å vere passasjer i enn CRJ (og egentleg betre enn 737 og 320 også).
__________________
some....
roger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 14:02   #5
LN-RTP
Aviator Extraordinaire
 
LN-RTP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 969
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
Representing an interesting change to your everyday booooring 737/320-family
In the flying business boring is good
LN-RTP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-10-2016, 21:13   #6
ENGM 911
ScanFlyer Rusty
 
ENGM 911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Oslo
Posts: 5,868
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Sukkhåjjen var også en tur innom OSL i midten av august. Balja er lekker!

EI-FWA Cityjet Sukhoi Superjet 100-95B by Cato Lien, on Flickr
__________________
✈ Gamle fly bråker best ✈
ENGM 911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2016, 00:12   #7
LN-RTP
Aviator Extraordinaire
 
LN-RTP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 969
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Sikkert fint fly men alt jeg husker om Superjeten er når den traff fjellet på demo tur.
Er vel ikke flyet sin feil, kanskje hadde fabrikken glemt å koble til EGPWS?
Samme skjedde med den Norske C-130-J Herken for noen år siden, peiste rett i en vertikal fjellvegg.
Nesten samme som Widerøe Dash-7 i Brønnøysund i 1988.
Flygerne ble vel distrahert av besøkende i cockpiten på de fleste ulykkene ovenfor. Samme som det Polske flyet som crashet i Russland for 6-7 år siden.
(Det crashet tok 9 sekunder fra dem begynte å treffe trær til det gakk til helvete)
Tråd kryp ja, beklager men når jeg tenker på Sukhoi Superjet så ser jeg for meg fjellveggen på demotur
LN-RTP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2016, 10:55   #8
Someone
ScanFlyer Inventory

Global Moderator
 
Someone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Oslo
Posts: 35,081
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
Originally Posted by LN-RTP View Post
Sikkert fint fly men alt jeg husker om Superjeten er når den traff fjellet på demo tur.
Er vel ikke flyet sin feil, kanskje hadde fabrikken glemt å koble til EGPWS?
Det var ren pilotfeil. Kollisjonssystemet funket, men det hjalp ikke når den russiske piloten valgte ignorere det
__________________
Upcoming flight - MAY: OSL-BGO-AGP-OSL (DY) JUL: OSL-HER-OSL (DK) SEP: OSL-BGO-OSL (SK)
Since 1/1/2006
Someone is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2016, 14:45   #9
LN-RTP
Aviator Extraordinaire
 
LN-RTP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 969
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
Originally Posted by Someone View Post
Det var ren pilotfeil. Kollisjonssystemet funket, men det hjalp ikke når den russiske piloten valgte ignorere det
Aha, var det slik å forstå?
Tror ikke jeg leste rapporten, men varslene funket altså men ble ignorert?
Uffda.
LN-RTP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-10-2016, 15:51   #10
LN-MOW
Flyklapper
 
LN-MOW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: KGVL
Posts: 42,850
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

'' The crew were not aware of the mountainous area surrounding the flight path due to various factors resulting in disregarding the TAWS warning.''

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20120509-0
__________________
Andreas Mowinckel
enfb.net
Airliners at Fornebu
Radar Station KGVL
LN-MOW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-10-2016, 15:21   #11
Bergern
ScanFlyer Molded
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Bærum
Posts: 2,876
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Beklager å spore av, men jeg vil bare si tusen takk for interessant lesning, KnutW. Stilig fly som jeg håper å få testet om ikke lenge
Sånn. Da kan dere fortsette å diskutere flysikkerhet og ulykker i forumet som vel er ment for noe het annet.
__________________
MAI: OSL-AMS-LYS/NCE-AMS-OSL KL JUN: OSL-AMS-TXL-AMS-OSL KL JUL: OSL-CDG-OSL AF SEP: OSL-AMS-BCN/MAD-AMS-OSL KL OKT: OSL-AMS-FCO-AMS-OSL KL
Bergern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-10-2016, 17:10   #12
KnutW
Speedbird Concorde
 
KnutW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Asker
Posts: 702
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Takk for det Bergern! Artig maskin, alltid gøy med noe annet enn de evinnelige B737/A320 når man skal ut å fly. (For all del, de er fine fly og nettopp derfor det er så mange av dem..?) SSJ er riktignok mindre og igrunnen ingen direkte konkurrent til disse, men forandring fryder. God tur, hvor/hvem skal du fly med? Skriv gjerne en liten rapport, så får jeg se om vi er enige. Det må vel innrømmes at selskapet man flyr med har vel så stor betydning for totalopplevelsen som selve flytypen, men kunne være interessant å høre hva andre synes om SSJ. Det er jo tross alt en flytype vi ikke har så ofte her Norden/Vesteuropa.
KnutW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-10-2016, 17:15   #13
LN-RTP
Aviator Extraordinaire
 
LN-RTP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Posts: 969
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
. Sånn. Da kan dere fortsette å diskutere flysikkerhet og ulykker i forumet som vel er ment for noe het annet.
Uhm, hva er forumet ment for?
(Ærlig spørsmål, ikke spydig. Jeg er fersk her ombord og tok navnet bokstavelig: Flyprat. Ulykker og sikkerhet er jo en viktig del av fly og flyging også og kan vel prates om?j
LN-RTP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-10-2016, 17:45   #14
LN-KOG
Osapanga chipongwe
 
LN-KOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Hjemme
Posts: 6,001
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Hvilke ruter flyr CityJet for SAS?
__________________

Better On A Camel across Africa, than Sit And Suffer across the North Sea.
LN-KOG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2016, 11:36   #15
Bergern
ScanFlyer Molded
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Bærum
Posts: 2,876
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
Originally Posted by KnutW View Post
God tur, hvor/hvem skal du fly med? Skriv gjerne en liten rapport, så får jeg se om vi er enige. Det må vel innrømmes at selskapet man flyr med har vel så stor betydning for totalopplevelsen som selve flytypen, men kunne være interessant å høre hva andre synes om SSJ. Det er jo tross alt en flytype vi ikke har så ofte her Norden/Vesteuropa.
Ikke noe konkret på trappene, men det kan fort bli Aeroflot som den SkyTeam-junkien jeg er. Skal prøve å krote ned litt hvis det blir aktuelt og loungetåka ikke setter for stort preg på turen
__________________
MAI: OSL-AMS-LYS/NCE-AMS-OSL KL JUN: OSL-AMS-TXL-AMS-OSL KL JUL: OSL-CDG-OSL AF SEP: OSL-AMS-BCN/MAD-AMS-OSL KL OKT: OSL-AMS-FCO-AMS-OSL KL
Bergern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2016, 11:38   #16
Bergern
ScanFlyer Molded
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Bærum
Posts: 2,876
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
Originally Posted by LN-RTP View Post
Uhm, hva er forumet ment for?
(Ærlig spørsmål, ikke spydig. Jeg er fersk her ombord og tok navnet bokstavelig: Flyprat. Ulykker og sikkerhet er jo en viktig del av fly og flyging også og kan vel prates om?j
Upresis formulering fra min side. Mente underforum, og dette er vel ment for å dele reiseerfaringer.
__________________
MAI: OSL-AMS-LYS/NCE-AMS-OSL KL JUN: OSL-AMS-TXL-AMS-OSL KL JUL: OSL-CDG-OSL AF SEP: OSL-AMS-BCN/MAD-AMS-OSL KL OKT: OSL-AMS-FCO-AMS-OSL KL
Bergern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2016, 18:47   #17
kekker
Onkel reisende kekker
 
kekker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Akershus
Posts: 2,032
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Herlig rapport, både denne og om CSen!

Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk
__________________
You wanna fly, you got to give up the shit that weighs you down.
- Toni Morrison
kekker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-11-2016, 16:48   #18
KnutW
Speedbird Concorde
 
KnutW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Asker
Posts: 702
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Takk for det kekker! Jobber med en rapport fra Nord-Korea, var der i fjor og fløy mye rart. Tenkte det kanskje har interesse her på forumet.
KnutW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2016, 18:38   #19
kekker
Onkel reisende kekker
 
kekker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Akershus
Posts: 2,032
Default Re: Sukhoi Superjet

Quote:
Originally Posted by KnutW View Post
Takk for det kekker! Jobber med en rapport fra Nord-Korea, var der i fjor og fløy mye rart. Tenkte det kanskje har interesse her på forumet.
Nettopp pløyd igjennom den, mens jeg prøver å få bølla til å sove, god lesning det også!

Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk
__________________
You wanna fly, you got to give up the shit that weighs you down.
- Toni Morrison
kekker is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sukhoi Superjet på CPH LN-FHU Flyspotting 4 05-08-2015 18:05
Sukhoi superjet FO33 Småprat 6 15-02-2013 08:13
Sukhoi Superjet 100 på Flesland erlingjo Bilder & foto 14 09-05-2012 17:37
Sukhoi Superjet BGO 1.okt Islending Bilder & foto 10 02-10-2010 20:13
Sukhoi Superjet 100, spotteralert. Piddien Flyforum 21 02-10-2010 13:41


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:44.


Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright Foreningen Flyprat, Scanair og bidragsytere. Enkelte ikoner fra Famfamfam CC-BY.