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Old 21-07-2020, 15:04   #1
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Default ICAO-koder - historisk oversikt?

I min naivitet trodde jeg at ICAO-koder var rimelig statiske - med mindre det kom noen dustete politiske vedtak om endring som har ridd det sørlige Afrika som en farsott de siste årene. Jeg kan forstå at man endrer navnet som alle kjenner, men en obskur firebokstavskode som brukes av noen enkelte individer (i den store sammenhengen). Selv i verdensmesterne i omskriving av historie holdt på slik...

Men så ser jeg at vår germanske venner holder på akkurat like dan. Jeg har forstått "systemet" (hvis det er dét det er) slik at sivile flyplasser starter med EDxx og militære med ETxx. Det skjedde i 1992 etter at DDR ble DetDetVar og deres ICAO-koder ETxx ble Bundesmilitär.

Så da sitter man igjen med:
  • DDR før 1992
  • BRD før 1992
  • BRD sivil etter 1992
  • Militærflyplasser uansett eier etter 1992

Hvis man ønsker å få noe vettugt ut av det historisk er det vanskelig siden "alle" webkilder kun bruker den siste koden gjennomgående til tidenes morgen.

Det jeg er på jakt etter er en oversikt som viser skiftet - og kodene på nedlagte baser. Eller navnet på en eller annen som sitter på den informasjonen. ICAO har vist seg lite hjelpsomme
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Old 21-07-2020, 15:53   #2
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For german airports, the german wikipedia site is not bad:

In Germany, ED has been used for civilian and ET for military airfields since reunification. Before that, ED was used for all airfields in the Federal Republic of Germany and ET for all airfields in the German Democratic Republic.

If there is a D in the third place for civil seats, it is an international commercial airport. Example: EDDF - Frankfurt, EDDH - Hamburg, EDDN - Nuremberg, EDDM - Munich.

Until the flight advisory service AIS was centralized, the third letter stood for the AIS of the international airport, in whose area of ​​responsibility the place was. Example: EDFM - Mannheim (area of ​​responsibility: Frankfurt), or EDHK - Kiel (area of ​​responsibility: Hamburg).

After the turn, the letter combinations ED and then the third letters A, B, C, E, O and U were assigned to around 100 places in the new federal states.

If the letters in a large area are not sufficient, other letters without special reference are selected here too, e.g. B. in Northern Bavaria P and Q.

Example: The traffic and special landing areas in the western part of Northern Bavaria still belong to the Frankfurt area = EDF. In eastern northern Bavaria (east of Würzburg and north of Nuremberg) the places have the identifier EDQA - EDQZ (only J, Q, U and V are not assigned as the fourth letter). South of Nuremberg then EDN (for Nuremberg) or EDP and further south from about Straubing then into the area EDM (for Munich).

The fourth letter corresponds - if still available - to the first letter of the place (e.g. EDQG for Giebelstadt or EDQZ for (Pegnitz) -Zipser Berg).

For military airfields, the third letter indicates which sub-armed forces use the space, see examples, including closed facilities:

A for U.S. Air Force
ETAR - Ramstein, ETAD - Spangdahlem

E, I, O for US Army
ETEK - Baumholder, ETOR - Coleman AAF (Mannheim), ETIC - Grafenwöhr AAF, ETIE - Heidelberg, ETIH - Hohenfels AAF, ETOI - Vilseck AAF, ETOU - Wiesbaden

H for Army Aviation
ETHA - Altenstadt, ETHH - Bonn-Hardthöhe, ETHB - Bückeburg, ETHC - Celle, ETHS - Faßberg, ETHF - Fritzlar, ETHL - Laupheim, ETHN - Niederstetten, ETHE - Rheine, ETHR - Roth

M for Marine
ETME - Eggebek, ETMN - Nordholz, ETMK - Kiel

N for air force
Northern Germany
ETNG - Geilenkirchen, ETNH - Hohn, ETNJ - Jever, ETNK - Cologne, ETNL - Rostock-Laage, ETNN - Nörvenich, ETNP - Hopsten, ETNS - Schleswig / Jagel, ETNT - Wittmund, ETNU - Neubrandenburg, ETNW - Wunstorf
S for air force
Southern Germany
ETSB - Büchel, ETSE - Erding, ETSH - Holzdorf, ETSN - Neuburg, ETSA - Landsberg, ETSL - Lechfeld, ETSI - Ingolstadt-Manching
U for UK RAF / British Army
EDUO / ETUO - Gütersloh, EDUL / ETUL - Laarbruch, EDUR / ETUR - Brüggen, EDUW - Wildenrath

W for defense technology Department
ETWM - Meppen
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Old 21-07-2020, 16:09   #3
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Joda, men det er ikke svar på mine spørsmål.

Det jeg er på jakt etter er ikke situasjonen i dag, men hvilke koder som gjaldt i hvilke perioder.
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Old 21-07-2020, 21:26   #4
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I see ... Sorry

Here is a list with the codes of some older, not anymore active, airports and airbases:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_...in_Deutschland

Here you can choose the airbases, and in case they had/have an ICAO code, both (old + new) is displayed:

https://www.forgottenairfields.com/d...categoryId=150

I know, it is not exactly the answer you want, but I will continue with the search.

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Dette begynner å nærme seg! Vielen Dank!
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